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Hillary Clinton lies the good lie on Bosnia

Posted by Josh Friedlander | 8 Comments

So, my choice on the Demo side is between demonstrably bad judgment (Obama) and outright prevarication:


8 Responses to “Hillary Clinton lies the good lie on Bosnia”

  1. Amy
    March 24th, 2008 @

    Is the bad judgment crack because of Rev. Wright? I think that pales in comparison to Hillary’s judgment with the Iraq War. (Also, have you watched any of the longer versions of those Rev. Wright clips? I saw two that were about 15 minutes long. It really gives them context. And if we’re going to go against him about that – try watching some clips of the ones McCain is courting – Hagee and Parsley.)

  2. Josh Friedlander
    March 24th, 2008 @

    I haven’t watched the longer clips, and my old Rabbi used to say some nasty stuff, but I’m not a public servant who is supposed to set an example for others. I’m conflicted about it. I think the guy was clearly nuts on some issues and not a great leader. Obama says he disagrees, but won’t disavow the man. Fine. But I don’t have to like it.

  3. Eric Hazard
    March 24th, 2008 @

    Somewhere in a state colored red, the C-17 Veterans For Justice are organizing.

  4. Josh Friedlander
    March 24th, 2008 @

    As well they should. I just don’t understand the LEVEL of stupidity here. This is a pres race and we have video archives of everything! You will get caught lying, so why do it?

  5. Matt Cipriano
    March 24th, 2008 @

    Ok- so while there are archives of everything these days, a lie still carries weight. Once the word is out there, it doesn’t matter how true it is or not, some one is going to hear it and believe it.

  6. Joel Friedlander
    March 24th, 2008 @

    We all know that Hillary is full of horse droppings, but so what, so is McCain and so it seems is Obama. Now with regards to my old Rabbi, OHS, I sat through at least 900-1000 sermons, and sometimes a crude racism would creep in that would stiffen the hairs on the back of your neck. Now on those occasions I would sometimes get up and have a cool cup of seltzer, but most times I just tuned out. I also heard him castigate the other branches of my religion for their practices. Still, after about 18 years I am still going to the same synagogue, albeit with other rabbis. Now some of these fellows believe that every night G-d takes the souls of all “Jews” and takes them up to heaven to study with them; not Christians, or Muslims, or Hindu’s, or Buddhists, or, well you get my point. Now this really offends me because why would a G-d who can do anything all the time only teach ethics and morality to one very tiny religious group.

    Well, despite misgivings, and the negative comments I make to my fellow parishioners (If they aren’t napping) I remain in my seat (usually). Now, as far as I am concerned, one religious group making derogatory remarks about another religious group is every bit as bad as making racial remarks. After all, we had the Inquisition and the Reformation, didn’t we, and they weren’t exactly bloodless.

    Now, I’m not running for office, but it is very difficult to get up out of your pew because your preacher, etc, etc, is running off at the mouth about some other people. Now, why would a Black Minister think that the Government had infected the Black people of America with AIDS.

    Well, perhaps there were reasons:

    For forty years between 1932 and 1972, the U.S. Public Health Service (PHS) conducted an experiment on 399 black men in the late stages of syphilis. These men, for the most part illiterate sharecroppers from one of the poorest counties in Alabama, were never told what disease they were suffering from or of its seriousness. Informed that they were being treated for “bad blood,” their doctors had no intention of curing them of syphilis at all.

    The data for the experiment was to be collected from autopsies of the men, and they were thus deliberately left to degenerate under the ravages of tertiary syphilis—which can include tumors, heart disease, paralysis, blindness, insanity, and death. “As I see it,” one of the doctors involved explained, “we have no further interest in these patients until they die.”

    “The United States government did something that was wrong—deeply, profoundly, morally wrong. It was an outrage to our commitment to integrity and equality for all our citizens… clearly racist.”

    —President Clinton’s apology for the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment to the eight remaining survivors, May 16, 1997


    I guarantee you there was a reason for every horrible remark Rev. Wright made. We may not agree with the thinking, but please remember that for years now South Africa will not allow AIDs prevention because they fear that the White Man is out to harm them. Laugh if you will but the distrust is as deep as can be and will not go away overnight.

    I for one will vote for Obama. The man inspires me. No, he isn’t perfect. He isn’t Abraham Lincoln, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and FDR all rolled into one, but we can’t tell what he will become over time. He is our very best bet for a good president this year, and would have been at many other times.

  7. Mary Lee
    March 25th, 2008 @

    Well put Joel. I am an older white woman who was first put off by the GD America remarks, but then I did what so many others are not bothering to do. I watched the sermons in whole and also others from Rev. Wright. While I still don’t agree with him, I see where he was coming from with his past experiences and the context the comments were made. I also saw that this is not his normal sermon, as so many are trying to make them out to be. I could see where Obama would disagree with him and choose not to leave his church and friends. I thought he showed courage to do the hard thing and not leave his church. It shows integrity, while this Bosnia story is a lie, not a misstatement. It shows a lack of integrity, which I found disturbing.

  8. Adamant
    March 25th, 2008 @

    It seems that despite Hillary’s claims of the high ground on her pastor, in fact, she is basically a member of a conservative think-tank church/cult.

    No wonder she supported so many conservative agenda’s, such as the war in Iraq and NAFTA.

    Obama didn’t shy away from a controversial topic but meet it head on. Hillary will do anything but.

    My choice is clear. Bitch may be the new black, but the new president is black, bitch.

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